一个台湾人眼里的开源ERP

wjfonhand

前一阵（恩信赞助？）上海财经大学的学生搞了个暑期调研，关于开源ERP在中国的应用。今天偶然想看看他们的调研报告，真是没啥可看的。。。

不过这里有一个他们和台湾一位先生的聊天记录，贴给大家，希望能引起大家的讨论和思考。

格式很乱，大家将就着看吧。

wjfonhand

和Dr.Chen的聊天记录
Cosmos Mao | 2007-8-5 23:33:23

[2007-7-31 22:43:39] Mark 邀请 af 加入此会话
[2007-7-31 22:43:49] Mark 说： af is one of my classmate
[2007-7-31 22:44:10] AdempiereTaiwan 说： if U know Compiere's Accounting Engine , U will know what is SOA
[2007-7-31 22:44:15] af 说： hello Albert
[2007-7-31 22:44:16] AdempiereTaiwan 说： YES
[2007-7-31 22:44:31] af 说： I am the leader of that project
[2007-7-31 22:44:33] AdempiereTaiwan 说： AF Nice to see u
[2007-7-31 22:44:40] AdempiereTaiwan 说： Great
[2007-7-31 22:44:43] af 说： Nice to see u 2
[2007-7-31 22:45:12] Mark 说： (y)
[2007-7-31 22:45:14] af 说： you really very strong in ERP field and we want to get support from the community
[2007-7-31 22:45:15] AdempiereTaiwan 说： the project target is use Opensouce for Chines SMB?
[2007-7-31 22:45:45] AdempiereTaiwan 说： what can i do for u ?
[2007-7-31 22:46:36] af 说： yes,  we think that it is  applicable for SMB in china
[2007-7-31 22:46:46] AdempiereTaiwan 说： give u a copy of our Compiere issue and resolve notes
[2007-7-31 22:46:52] AdempiereTaiwan 说： please give me mail address
[2007-7-31 22:47:02] af 说： ok
[2007-7-31 22:47:20] AdempiereTaiwan 说： i will send it
[2007-7-31 22:47:36] af 说： RoomXXX,NoXX,LaneXX,Road XXX,Shanghai,China
[2007-7-31 22:47:51] AdempiereTaiwan 说： email not mail
[2007-7-31 22:47:52] af 说： 上海XX路XX弄6号XX室
[2007-7-31 22:47:59] af 说： oh,sorry
[2007-7-31 22:48:00] AdempiereTaiwan 说： sorry email
[2007-7-31 22:48:04] af 说： airforce.e@gmail.com
[2007-7-31 22:48:13] Mark 说： maverick0110@gmail.com
[2007-7-31 22:48:21] Mark 说： i want one copy 2
[2007-7-31 22:48:23] AdempiereTaiwan 说： i sent
[2007-7-31 22:48:48] AdempiereTaiwan 说： when u received tell me
[2007-7-31 22:48:56] af 说： ok
[2007-7-31 22:49:05] Mark 说： thanks a lot
[2007-7-31 22:49:17] AdempiereTaiwan 说： it  a parts of our customize Compiere 's Story
[2007-7-31 22:49:50] AdempiereTaiwan 说： a Client ask me customization
[2007-7-31 22:50:26] af 说： yes,I know that the customizable is one of the feature of OS ERP
[2007-7-31 22:51:28] AdempiereTaiwan 说： What is OpenSource,,,, if u need a lot of Customize, then u need OpenSource,

otherwise u buy a Commercial will be easy for use
[2007-7-31 22:51:57] af 说： i agree
[2007-7-31 22:52:27] af 说： but if the cost of deployment should take into consideration
[2007-7-31 22:52:42] AdempiereTaiwan 说： OpenSource only a few of professional user not like commercial have a lot of users
[2007-7-31 22:52:46] Mark 说： But in other people‘s mind opensource means free of charge
[2007-7-31 22:53:26] AdempiereTaiwan 说： free is license only, consultant is expensive than commerical software
[2007-7-31 22:53:34] af 说： I understand what albert  want to say now
[2007-7-31 22:53:46] af 说： you want to tell us the SaaS
[2007-7-31 22:53:47] Mark 说： ok it make sense
[2007-7-31 22:54:19] AdempiereTaiwan 说： OpenSource is for Clinet own Professional Support only,
[2007-7-31 22:54:33] af 说： I see
[2007-7-31 22:54:47] Mark 说： gotta that
[2007-7-31 22:54:53] af 说： thank you for your explain and may I ask another question?
[2007-7-31 22:54:59] AdempiereTaiwan 说： if small size compnay buy a commerical softwate , will be cheap than opensource
[2007-7-31 22:55:27] AdempiereTaiwan 说： we support our clinet one year 1,200,000 NTD
[2007-7-31 22:55:38] af 说： Oh my god
[2007-7-31 22:55:55] AdempiereTaiwan 说： because we want replace SAP
[2007-7-31 22:56:06] af 说： it seems to equal the SAP's service
[2007-7-31 22:56:15] AdempiereTaiwan 说： not reaplce a small software
[2007-7-31 22:56:18] Mark 说： if the opensource is expensive than the commerical softwate， what do you think the advantage

of opensource?
[2007-7-31 22:56:35] af 说： service and freedom to use
[2007-7-31 22:56:58] AdempiereTaiwan 说： but if u client have over 20 user Comerical software will be change a lot of money

for license charge
[2007-7-31 22:57:14] Mark 说： I think is the flexibility
[2007-7-31 22:57:54] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes, when client more users then Opensouce will be cheap than commerical
[2007-7-31 22:58:58] AdempiereTaiwan 说： a very important point is when u use commerical software then customization and add

a lot of function, u steup in another company u must pay liencese too,
[2007-7-31 22:59:22] af 说： and you think the license is an important factor of costs in commercial software?
[2007-7-31 22:59:30] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes,
[2007-7-31 22:59:40] Mark 说： How much will a license really cost?
[2007-7-31 22:59:51] AdempiereTaiwan 说： u know over 100 user in commerical software how much money u must pay ?
[2007-7-31 23:00:08] Mark 说： how much?
[2007-7-31 23:00:26] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 180,000 NTD / per-user * 100 = 18,000.000 NTD
[2007-7-31 23:00:44] af 说： Could you tell us that what's your opinion on the OpenSource for SMB?
[2007-7-31 23:00:53] af 说： inapplicable?
[2007-7-31 23:01:16] af 说： or other combo way to slove it?
[2007-7-31 23:01:27] AdempiereTaiwan 说： I don't think SMB , M and Large we ve fit for OpenSource
[2007-7-31 23:02:16] AdempiereTaiwan 说： u know Linux is not for gerneral purpose, it for professional user only Now
[2007-7-31 23:02:23] Mark 说： so the openerp to small companies is a dead end?
[2007-7-31 23:02:46] AdempiereTaiwan 说： must have a minmax constraint
[2007-7-31 23:02:50] af 说： ...maybe in the near future Ubuntu will eat a share of market
[2007-7-31 23:03:10] Mark 说： Ubuntu is Os man
[2007-7-31 23:03:12] AdempiereTaiwan 说： can not share low-price market
[2007-7-31 23:03:40] AdempiereTaiwan 说： OpenSource always chanllenage high-price Software
[2007-7-31 23:03:50] af 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:03:58] af 说： that's right
[2007-7-31 23:04:15] af 说： high-price encourge the OS culture
[2007-7-31 23:04:25] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes,
[2007-7-31 23:04:51] af 说： do you know the OpenBravo another sourceforge project
[2007-7-31 23:05:01] AdempiereTaiwan 说： because cost issue must over 1,000,000 is rally cost
[2007-7-31 23:05:07] AdempiereTaiwan 说： really cost
[2007-7-31 23:05:36] AdempiereTaiwan 说： if only 100,000  cost not cost issue, is poor issue
[2007-7-31 23:05:48] Mark 说： wow
[2007-7-31 23:06:22] af 说： let me think it for a second
[2007-7-31 23:06:41] AdempiereTaiwan 说： okay, take a 5 mins rest,
[2007-7-31 23:06:56] Mark 说： ;)
[2007-7-31 23:11:08] af 说： oh refersh,I really appreciate your help
[2007-7-31 23:11:17] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:11:25] AdempiereTaiwan 说： what it u plan,
[2007-7-31 23:11:46] AdempiereTaiwan 说： only want chinese smb use OpensSOURCE ?
[2007-7-31 23:12:01] af 说： I understand your opinion,we want to find whether there is a way to apply the OS ERP in our

country
[2007-7-31 23:12:19] AdempiereTaiwan 说： ERP is monitor CEO not help CEO's tool
[2007-7-31 23:12:22] af 说： and we thought SMB should be a best target markte
[2007-7-31 23:12:26] af 说： market
[2007-7-31 23:12:42] AdempiereTaiwan 说： ERP is for Internaltional Enterprise
[2007-7-31 23:12:43] af 说： just monitor not assitant?
[2007-7-31 23:12:54] AdempiereTaiwan 说： Monitore and measurement
[2007-7-31 23:13:11] af 说： i agree but ERP can also reduce the cost and help the decision
[2007-7-31 23:13:22] AdempiereTaiwan 说： no
[2007-7-31 23:13:25] af 说： ?
[2007-7-31 23:13:50] AdempiereTaiwan 说： it measument ceo's performance, then ceo will be work hard to make money for

enterprise
[2007-7-31 23:14:00] af 说： hehe
[2007-7-31 23:14:21] AdempiereTaiwan 说： ERP is a tool for monitor
[2007-7-31 23:14:27] AdempiereTaiwan 说： erp not MRP
[2007-7-31 23:14:38] AdempiereTaiwan 说： erp not 進銷存
[2007-7-31 23:14:39] af 说： we know
[2007-7-31 23:14:43] af 说： :)
[2007-7-31 23:14:44] Mark 说：  I gotta that
[2007-7-31 23:15:12] af 说： but it really too hard for this concept to be accepted by some CEO
[2007-7-31 23:15:38] af 说： especially for some SMB's CEO
[2007-7-31 23:15:58] AdempiereTaiwan 说： it very easy to know, for example what prupose for exercise's stopwatch
[2007-7-31 23:16:05] af 说： so we also want to survey the applicable of the idea of ERP
[2007-7-31 23:16:25] AdempiereTaiwan 说：  what prupose for exercise's stopwatch??
[2007-7-31 23:16:25] af 说： Quality?
[2007-7-31 23:16:53] AdempiereTaiwan 说： stopwatch can improvement Exercise performance ,right
[2007-7-31 23:17:06] Mark 说： to account
[2007-7-31 23:17:14] af 说： mesurement
[2007-7-31 23:17:30] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes, cause measurement ,
[2007-7-31 23:17:42] AdempiereTaiwan 说： like student's examination
[2007-7-31 23:18:02] af 说： all for the target of a better quality and result
[2007-7-31 23:18:20] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:18:27] Mark 说： but some times it make the thing worse
[2007-7-31 23:19:44] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes,
[2007-7-31 23:20:20] AdempiereTaiwan 说： u know examnination never false, cause measurement
[2007-7-31 23:20:26] AdempiereTaiwan 说： why erp easy fail
[2007-7-31 23:20:41] AdempiereTaiwan 说： cause extend function is over load for a ERP
[2007-7-31 23:20:54] Mark 说： may be the erp is not suitable 4 every companies
[2007-7-31 23:20:54] af 说： like over design
[2007-7-31 23:21:16] af 说： we design the world all in a class factory
[2007-7-31 23:21:26] af 说： But I still cant understand your opinion that OS can only stay in competition with High-Price

commercial software.Why not low-price market can contains open source software
[2007-7-31 23:21:26] AdempiereTaiwan 说： erp is for Internaltional BIG company
[2007-7-31 23:21:27] Mark 说： every company gotta their owen style
[2007-7-31 23:21:39] AdempiereTaiwan 说： small compnay only need MRP
[2007-7-31 23:21:51] af 说： ok ,I will take your advice
[2007-7-31 23:22:05] AdempiereTaiwan 说： .Why not low-price market can contains open source software?????
[2007-7-31 23:22:06] af 说： that's really very important
[2007-7-31 23:22:21] AdempiereTaiwan 说： cause Consultant is same with SAP
[2007-7-31 23:22:23] af 说： oh sorry for my poor english
[2007-7-31 23:22:43] AdempiereTaiwan 说： u english is okay
[2007-7-31 23:22:52] AdempiereTaiwan 说： i know what u want to sau
[2007-7-31 23:22:54] AdempiereTaiwan 说： say
[2007-7-31 23:23:19] af 说： I mean that open source software also can break the door of low-price software field
[2007-7-31 23:23:29] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes,
[2007-7-31 23:23:42] af 说： then why SMB ERP cant
[2007-7-31 23:23:52] AdempiereTaiwan 说： but Opensouce can not support like s Commerical software
[2007-7-31 23:24:13] af 说： yes it needs the community's support
[2007-7-31 23:24:49] AdempiereTaiwan 说： tell me how many professional consultant can do Compiere in China, and how many user

know how to use Chinese commerical software
[2007-7-31 23:25:03] Mark 说： very little
[2007-7-31 23:25:17] af 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:25:18] Mark 说： but there is a trend in using erp in china
[2007-7-31 23:25:33] af 说： absoultly right
[2007-7-31 23:25:51] AdempiereTaiwan 说： ERP is monitor tool only ,,,,
[2007-7-31 23:26:03] Mark 说： I gotta that
[2007-7-31 23:26:37] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 延伸性功能非 ERP  基本應用
[2007-7-31 23:26:52] af 说： @@
[2007-7-31 23:26:54] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 不可任意延伸
[2007-7-31 23:26:57] Mark 说： ~.~
[2007-7-31 23:27:07] af 说： :)
[2007-7-31 23:27:23] af 说： do you want to tell us the flexibility
[2007-7-31 23:27:36] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 讀書一定是一個科系不是讀一個學院
[2007-7-31 23:27:44] Mark 说： what is the real erp required?
[2007-7-31 23:27:52] af 说： 点头：）
[2007-7-31 23:28:29] af 说： another question
[2007-7-31 23:28:50] AdempiereTaiwan 说： ERP  要先有重點實施在擴展延伸
[2007-7-31 23:28:52] af 说： how can Adempiere earn the monery to support
[2007-7-31 23:29:38] af 说： eg.首先财务，然后物料，计划等对吗
[2007-7-31 23:29:42] AdempiereTaiwan 说： We customization for Big compnay then easy make money, cuase our target is replace

SAP 'S function
[2007-7-31 23:30:15] af 说： only for customization and after download service?
[2007-7-31 23:30:23] AdempiereTaiwan 说： eg.首先财务?? No,,,is Accounting not Financial，然后物料，计划等对吗
[2007-7-31 23:30:29] af 说： why not for training
[2007-7-31 23:31:03] af 说： thank you ,I will remember that
[2007-7-31 23:31:08] AdempiereTaiwan 说： we teach our clinet's Master and Staff customization
[2007-7-31 23:31:55] AdempiereTaiwan 说： not direct customization but indirect do it
[2007-7-31 23:32:15] af 说： like plugin or module?
[2007-7-31 23:32:22] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:32:30] Mark 说： what is the price to do the training?
[2007-7-31 23:33:02] AdempiereTaiwan 说： price is one year 1,200,000 NTD
[2007-7-31 23:33:12] af 说： :)
[2007-7-31 23:33:14] Mark 说： wow
[2007-7-31 23:33:36] af 说： i think your customization like oracle
[2007-7-31 23:34:09] AdempiereTaiwan 说： we not teach in Enterprise also support our Ph.D. student Reaserch Course
[2007-7-31 23:34:13] af 说： as far as i know that oracle also abstract the main function and interface then extend that
[2007-7-31 23:34:35] AdempiereTaiwan 说： we not only teach in Enterprise but also support our Ph.D. student Reaserch Course
[2007-7-31 23:35:14] af 说： We glad to see that the combination of education and industry
[2007-7-31 23:35:53] AdempiereTaiwan 说： a lot of taiwan like上海航校
[2007-7-31 23:36:22] Mark 说： the voccational school?
[2007-7-31 23:36:28] af 说： yes it is really a very good school
[2007-7-31 23:36:39] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:36:49] AdempiereTaiwan 说： tech skill in University
[2007-7-31 23:37:34] af 说： but i think the university in taiwan also very good
[2007-7-31 23:37:41] AdempiereTaiwan 说：  北航校方領導、SAP 中國公司及SAP 合作夥伴鑫毅力公司，以及第三方市場人士共同出席了簽

字和揭牌儀式。 ...
[2007-7-31 23:37:49] AdempiereTaiwan 说： SORRY IT  北航校方
[2007-7-31 23:37:49] af 说： rank ahead in world:)
[2007-7-31 23:38:21] af 说： 北京航天大学：）
[2007-7-31 23:38:29] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 北京航空航天大學
[2007-7-31 23:38:34] Mark 说： 那个不是计算机很强的吗？
[2007-7-31 23:38:35] af 说： :)
[2007-7-31 23:38:41] af 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:38:59] af 说： 工强
[2007-7-31 23:39:01] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:39:21] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 北航SAP ERP諮詢顧問工程碩士將獲SAP中國認證
[2007-7-31 23:39:46] AdempiereTaiwan 说： 包括清華大學、上海交通大學、西安交通大學，浙江大學、同濟大學、西南財經大學、上海大學

、暨南大學和東軟信息學院等已加入了該計劃。
[2007-7-31 23:39:52] Mark 说： sap最近也在开大会
[2007-7-31 23:39:58] af 说： i saw the news recently
[2007-7-31 23:40:03] AdempiereTaiwan 说： yes
[2007-7-31 23:40:21] af 说： how to deal with the over design ,do you have any experience?
[2007-7-31 23:41:09] AdempiereTaiwan 说： contract with schedule and money
[2007-7-31 23:41:13] af 说： I've received the forward email just now
[2007-7-31 23:41:42] af 说： Fwd: 修正銀行轉帳過帳會科

Spring_xu

我和这位Doctor chen,交流很多，也学习了很多，心里一直感激他的帮助！
也感谢 wjfonhand通过这种方式让我再次看到他的言论！

[ 本帖最后由 Spring_xu 于 2007-10-25 22:32 编辑 ]

wjfonhand

哦，能否介绍给我认识一下？此人很有想法嘛。

pshen

我有他的skype，他应该也是这个论坛的注册会员，不过很少来。
以前和他聊，感觉你的想法有点偏激，当然，也有可能我跟不上他的思路。

上次聊的时候，感觉他是主张在较大型的企业采用这些open source的。因为SME采用open source，整体应用成本核算下来，其实不合算。而大型企业会有足够的技术力量，支持open source。而且，帮助大型企业实施open source,作为服务方，才有钱赚，这点，倒是，本人有点体会。

jet-wang

摘录几句精彩的：
I don't think SMB , M and Large we ve fit for OpenSource
What is OpenSource,,,, if u need a lot of Customize, then u need OpenSource
ERP is monitor CEO not help CEO's tool
erp is for Internaltional BIG company

arthurkkk

哪位大侠可以翻译一下？

g0267

http://bbs.ERP100.com/thread-17805-1-1.html