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基于COMPIERE之上开发项目流程管理与项目成本核算系统

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发表于 2008/10/19 12:39:12 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 hotkee 于 2008-10-18 21:51 发表

现在开发着手开始会计科目的设计与制作过程,基本原则要求符合中国国情;主要分为:资产、负责、所有者权益、成本和费用五类。
研究重点:
按照制造业还是服务业的方式来编辑制作这些会计科目好呢?项目成 ...

建议:
看看你们现行的财务科目作为原始参照
没有的和财务部门探讨得出
发表于 2008/10/19 12:42:46 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 hotkee 于 2008-10-18 21:51 发表

所有业务流程都对应哪些会计科目以及有怎样的借贷关系?这些业务流程产生的借贷关系COMPIERE是否已经做的可配置性?要不然业务流程的借贷关系对应的科目发生改动时就只能通过改程序的方式了!那系统就不够灵活!

标准流程科目都可以配置,请参看系统中会计模式的菜单
发表于 2008/10/19 15:43:20 | 显示全部楼层
我认为从管理会计角度来看,项目管理型ERP应该把重点放在预算管理和项目日程和成本控制上。

我请装修公司帮我装修新屋,最关心的就是我花5万元钱,是否可以在2个月内看到装修一新的家。
作为乙方装修公司,一旦出了图纸和报价,就等于有了BOM和预算。
材料费可以依实结算(月加权,FIFO都可以);
人工费等于实际工时×标准时薪(虽然我们大部分企业采用月薪制,但用时薪来稽核人工成本会比较精确,若有差异,可以列入管理费用);
管理费用我认为若能归集到项目就归集,若不能则按比例分摊,分摊依据由老板讲了算。

待项目完工后,老板只要看《预算和实际成本对照表》,就清楚哪个项目挣钱了,哪个项目有问题。到底是材料买贵了,还是有超工时的情况。
 楼主| 发表于 2008/10/19 22:40:57 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 arthurkkk 于 2008-10-19 15:43 发表
我认为从管理会计角度来看,项目管理型ERP应该把重点放在预算管理和项目日程和成本控制上。

我请装修公司帮我装修新屋,最关心的就是我花5万元钱,是否可以在2个月内看到装修一新的家。
作为乙方装修公司,一旦出 ...

没错,但正如古罗马不是一天建成的一样,预算管理和项目日程和成本控制这是我司项目型ERP二期建设的主要内容。
另外在预算管理方面有何高见啊?基于标准成本法来做预算吗?!还是有更好的方法!

[ 本帖最后由 hotkee 于 2008-10-20 07:49 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2008/10/20 16:39:21 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 sofar1218 于 2008-10-13 19:13 发表
如果会计维度还不能满足的话,你还可以多套账务, multi accounting schema, 比如成本核算方法一套帐用平均法,另一套用标准法;

compiere的设计者好像就是财务出身的吧,这套十年前着手设计的财务系统,今天看来 ...


哈哈!!!看看这张图,COMPIERE已经能和项目、营销等维度关联了。


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发表于 2008/10/21 21:04:40 | 显示全部楼层
难道的好贴
发表于 2008/10/22 08:35:55 | 显示全部楼层
learning!!
发表于 2008/11/4 15:12:18 | 显示全部楼层

成本计算(包括附加成本)

原帖由 hotkee 于 2008-10-9 16:39 发表
豁然开朗!!!THANKS

某一项费用是如何即分摊到项目又分摊到产品上的啊,技术上如何实现啊?数据库该如何设计啊?
COMPIERE的会计科目如何在数据库的表结构中体现的啊?




首先新建成本元素,再关联到产品成本中,系统自动生成产品的最终成本(例如:成本计算方法为加权平均发票);
也可以手工输入发票分摊产品成本。
发表于 2008/11/14 16:58:00 | 显示全部楼层
学习了
发表于 2009/1/1 14:44:22 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2009/1/4 14:51:05 | 显示全部楼层
关注中,希望有进一步的交流
发表于 2009/3/12 15:50:36 | 显示全部楼层
能不能谈谈制造部分的?
发表于 2009/3/24 14:30:43 | 显示全部楼层
这是 sourceforge.net 上 Carlos Ruiz 关于项目管理的讨论,请参考:

Hi Long, sorry for the delay in answer.
Thanks Colin for introducing me ;-)

> my company is a construction company (our projects are  
> building, house,...). I want to ask you all that:  

> is ADempiere suitable for us

It depends on your needs.
My "canned answer" would be - YES - Adempiere is suitable to any company.
There are common functionalities from all companies and they're well covered in adempiere.
And every industry has some specific needs - and the trick of the implementation is to make adempiere fulfill those specific needs.
Most of needs can be covered just with configuration modeling adempiere processes and documents to company needs.
And some needs require development.

We implemented Adempiere in a construction company.
You can read some words from general manager here:
http://www.globalqss.com/portal/content/view/30/1/lang,es/
(Sorry, just spanish, you can try google translation, not the best, but can give you an idea of what he said).

We modeled well the process of pulling out raw material during the construction attached to a project, and at the end finishing the construction, costing the building, and entering in inventory to sell them.
Also we modeled the process of pre-selling without the building terminated, and also the "promise" to sell implemented via a sales order, the invoice can just be issued when the building is terminated and the apartment is "shipped".
Etc. etc.

Even we modeled an interface to import payroll invoices from a third party tool. The "payroll" invoices are imported to Adempiere and we manage the payment of the payroll.
And even we extended the model - just with the payroll invoices we create all the other needed invoices to complete the payroll (for example payment to health insurance companies, budget of vacations, etc).

> and project managemt module is stable enough to use?  

In this case this company decided to not use project module. We use project module JUST at the first level - I mean we use projects, but we don't use phases or tasks.

All the building process and control is managed via an external system they have.

In future we plan to make it work via project module - extending adempiere. I guess as it is today project module can't cover the needs, it needs some development.

------------

Off topic:

Lee said "openbravo is more suitable" - but I doubt it.
The project module is the same from Compiere.
What they have in addition is a manufacturing module - but what we have found is the common manufacturing process is not applicable to construction industry. Maybe with some adjustments.

Anyways - it's ok to give a try to openbravo too and feedback us about if possible.

Regards,

Carlos Ruiz - globalqss
http://globalqss.com

『来源: https://sourceforge.net/forum/fo ... amp;forum_id=611163
发表于 2009/3/24 16:52:50 | 显示全部楼层
Lee said "openbravo is more suitable" - but I doubt it.
我就是这个Lee,openbravo改进了compiere的项目模块,所以我说openbravo更适合。
adempiere也计划改进项目模块,这个很早就提出来了,不过就像我在其他帖子中提到的那样adempiere的很多计划飘渺而遥遥无期。另外再说一次openbravo的测试做的比adempiere好。

所以我推荐openbravo
发表于 2010/1/20 07:51:23 | 显示全部楼层
openbravo 在新的需求前面寸步难行,而且从界面角度看,美化还是不太好,我是初学者的感受!
发表于 2010/1/30 17:51:17 | 显示全部楼层
学习中,不错
发表于 2010/2/1 19:16:04 | 显示全部楼层
从功能来说openbravo这块做得好些
发表于 2011/5/5 16:40:44 | 显示全部楼层
讲得非常到位
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